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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 7, 2007 3:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Interesting GD trivia question(s) -- Any takers?

For each studio album, which song was the first to be performed live? Some are obvious and some trickier.

It's arguably a tie (based on available set lists, of course) for two albums. For one of the albums, the answer is ambiguous among three candidates, depending on how you define the first performance of a song that was performed way earlier but in a somewhat different incarnation.

Forum regulars have had a day to mull it over, so any guesses folks? Liam's weighed in with Touch of Gray (9-15-82) as the earliest-performed song from In the Dark.

My apologies if I'm distracting anyone from watching the diverting spectacle of this forum devouring itself.

This post was modified by Lou Davenport on 2007-10-07 22:59:45

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Oct 7, 2007 7:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Interesting GD trivia question(s) -- Any takers?

Good Evening, Lou: Robert Hunter was playin' "Touch of Grey" at his solo shows in 1980 so that's my answer for "In the Dark." I'll find the rest later, however I am currently re-reading Maslow's "The Farther Reaches of Human Nature" to uncover the answer as to why humans stop "being" here in the Forum.

Sweet post; thank you.

--- AshesRising

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Poster: blacklakelight Date: Oct 8, 2007 3:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Interesting GD trivia question(s) -- Any takers?



From 1969: Dire Wolf 6/7, High Time 6/21?

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Poster: Jim Messina Date: Oct 7, 2007 4:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Interesting GD trivia question(s) -- Any takers?

I got one of the trickier ones


Shakedown Street:
Good Lovin' 5/19/1966

Mars Hotel:
China Doll and Loose Lucy 2/9/1973

At the 5/19/66 show is where I went backstage unnoticed by the people that prevent these things from happening and gave Jerry a 4 and 1/2 slap on his hand. Later we went over to the local ball field and I pitched Pigpen off the plate with some chin music. I am so cool

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 7, 2007 4:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Interesting GD trivia question(s) -- Any takers?

Hey Lou--I am not very good at this...I don't ever go to the sites ("deadlist" or others?) that provide info on what was done when, etc.

But, it did occur to me in this spirit that UJB is an interesting case in which the "music" was played prior to the lyrics--or at least that is what I take it for...the "UJB jams" in late 69 during DS. So, that one, in any case, would be an unusual instance in which the music predates the "song" in the sense of joining the music with the lyrics...though I have no sense of whether that is the best way to think of it.

Complicates matters I guess.

Sorry, I just wouldn't have a clue about guessing, even for my fav's, as to which time was the first--ie, I have a show with a song that I think is the first, BUT that only applies to my limited collection...

Maybe others will chime in...if not, we will be consumed!

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 7, 2007 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Interesting GD trivia question(s) -- Any takers?

Just to clarify--all I'm looking for is which song on each album was first performed, not necessarily when that first performance was. (If someone out there can cite without help when the first performance was of each first-performed song, then wow! Stratocaster?)

I guessed right for a few of the albums based on having heard early performances of certain songs, but in none of those cases was the performance I had heard the very first.

UJB is indeed an interesting case, but the earliest UJB jams I've heard came months after the earliest performance of the first-performed song on Workingman's Dead.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 7, 2007 5:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Interesting GD trivia question(s) -- Any takers?

Lou--not sure I follow for UJB...I was thinking the early November, 69, jams were in advance of the song in its complete state...since they were putting together WMan's in Dec/Jan of 70, is that not true? Had the complete song been completed by say, October, 69? I have no clue...

Cool stuff...

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 7, 2007 5:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Interesting GD trivia question(s) -- Any takers?

I meant that there's another song from Workingman's Dead that was performed live a few months before the earliest UJB jam I've heard.

BTW, thanks in this time of forum trouble for sticking around and being consistently positive, and supportive of others, and dead-related.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 8, 2007 7:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Interesting GD trivia question(s) -- Any takers?

Ah yes--now I see what you mean. I was just obsessing about UJB alone. What I have found interesting, noted by many before, is how different some of the songs of that year are when first done. EG, the first SugarMag, first CJones and even first NewSpeedway, are each done very slowly, with different approaches to the singing, etc. Assume it's that we get used to the "final" approach because I don't care for them in those early incarnations (not bad, just too different).